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Unknown Speaker 30:39 Hello everyone, and again, welcome to the SLA track session, making your DPA DPLA harvest go further, presented by Penelope Shoemaker and John Dewey's, we will have, there'll be time for questions at the end but if you have one, feel free to enter it into the chat during as it comes to you. So yeah, and now I'll just turn it over to our two presenters get this party started. Unknown Speaker 31:14 Hello, I'm Penelope Shoemaker, I'm a metadata librarian at the State Library of Ohio. Mainly I work on the Ohio digital network project what I'm going to tell you about today and then John's gonna share how you can use this project to get your record, or to get your information into with media. Maybe my slides will work. So today what I'm going to talk about is I'm just going to tell you a little bit about DPLA and ODN. I'm going to tell you how your metadata gets from your provider, your repository and onto VPLS website, a little bit about our medical data application profile, and our new process of capturing triple F manifests. So what is DPLA. It is a nationwide project that includes digital collections from all over the United States, it's free to use and contribute. And the website is decal dp.la So, what it means by digital collections though is it's usually just the metadata so what happens is, is a scoop of your metadata of your items in your repository and it puts them on Deucalion website which is a large catalog of resources and people from all over the United States and a few people from around the world who use it can find your resources, it's just another portal to be able to find your digital collections, and it's free for you to contribute, and it's free for people to use. So who is DPLA for it's any organization, who has a digital collection, so anyone that would be a library or museum or anyone who has something online in a repository with a permanent address, so something like content VM or a Mecca are both repositories that we can harvest from. And so, who uses it includes K 12 students and educators, usually we find that about fourth to fifth grade is the time that students really start using it and educators do that as well. And they also have information for genealogists local historians, and anyone who's interested in history. Why would you want to put participate in DPLA, why would you want to put your stuff there, you would have more access, so someone who went to find your resources, alongside of resources from prestigious places like Harvard, and the National Archive or a large university from California, but they also might find a small collection from Ohio, one of our small contributors only has 30 items but now their items are definable by anyone who uses DPLA and gives them more access. It is also community so there's a lot of discussions within the DPLA community of how to better our practices with our metadata how we describe things and how we present information online. So, how does it work for the most part there's no ownership or rights transfer. The only exception is when we are talking about this project with a triple if manifest because they only use in out of copyright materials, those whole materials will appear in DPLA, or in Wikipedia, because they're out of copyright and then people can reuse them in places like Wikipedia. So but any copyright status can be uploaded to DPLA so that people can use and look for it. We have to have access to your metadata which I said as I said most systems like content DM Omeka. Unknown Speaker 34:40 And all are easy to harvest, and then hubs, distribute the work so what that means is, is, we are at the Ohio. Digital Network we're a DPLA hub, we harvest your metadata for you and send this up so you don't actually work directly with DPLA, because they're super big and it would be easier for you to just send it to me and then we work together. So here are all the existing hubs in the United States work they're working on coloring the map, all green. They are getting very close. This has been a project in the last five years it's gone from about 10 to 15 to almost all grades, that's pretty exciting. So what is ODM then it is, like I said, Ohio, the Ohio digital network, it is DPLA service hub. What we do is we harvest your metadata and we send it to DPLA. We also support digitization and digital collections so we help you understand the best ways to harvest, or to work with your metadata and we provide presentations and we're free to participate in. We take most content types such as digitized Documents, Pictures Avi those types of popular interest materials. There are a few things that DPLA does not accept those would be theses and dissertations and newspapers because newspapers and theses and dissertations are not newspapers, there's just so many and that would be difficult for them to be easily finable in DPLA in our court of clog up the search results for theses and dissertations that doesn't quite fit within their collection scope. We also work as a team we work with, what are the Digi hubs there for did you have this across the state, Toledo Lucas County Public Library. Unknown Speaker 36:28 Cleveland Metro. I say it wrong but Cleveland's Public Library. Columbus Metropolitan Library and the public library of Cincinnati and Hampton County, all have digitization centers where people have other libraries can come and digitize their materials and then share them online, and that's supported through LSTA dollars from the State Library of Ohio. We also have several state library staff members working on this project and then we work with you the contributor to get your material into DPLA. So, here is a little bit about our history of usage. So in 2018 we had a lovely spike the day that we were first available in DPLA and everyone was so excited to find their materials we've never quite matched that but if you look at the top, purple, with 2021, it's still higher than all the other previous years and every year we're getting a little bit better. We started with 10 contributor errors in our first ingest with DPLA and now we're up to 26, we're going to be adding actually we're going to be over 30 By the end of next week because we have seven new contributors that are going to be added. So we are growing, and we're providing more and more access to Ohio materials which is exciting. So some of the future things that are going on. If you would like to learn more about DPLA and ODN, you can register for ODN Fest on October 19 It is free to anyone in Ohio, so if you want it's an online day and you can come join us. As I said we provide meditate, support and we have some grant programs, including the metadata mini grant which we just started our next cycles so we won't be opening a new cycle until probably next summer, but it is something to keep an eye out for because it provides up to $499 to help clean up your metadata if that's a hurdle for you. We also want to provide continuing education and help people join DPLA, or just digitize their materials. So, how does this work with the harvest I keep talking about these terms and they seem kind of vague if you're not familiar, so in order to prepare for DP harvest what you need to do is review your metadata you need to look for quality issues, you also need to have a few specific fields which I'll discuss in a minute. And then, that's the main part of your job, then you talk to state library staff such as myself, and we handle all the scooping up of that metadata through OCI feeds, you don't need to actually do that part so you just need to make sure your metadata meets those requirements. So, where can you find documentation on the requirements, there is the metadata application profile which is on our website, I'm not really long link but if you just go to Ohio digital network.org and kind of go through the trees on there it would be easier to find. This is considered a bridge between your metadata and DPS map so what happens is we make sure that your metadata will fit into this metadata application profile, and Peter our technology specialist maps your information, you don't always have to have it in the exact same field but he does better data magic. And then when it goes to DPLA, it fits into their box. So what does that look like your metadata sitting in your repository your content DM site or whatever, and then you we harvest it and transform it through XSLT, which is a programming language, it sits in repacks which is our, sort of, it's the place that we harvest and hold the metadata till DPLA is ready for it. Then I review it with Peter and we make sure that it has those quality and required elements, then I talk to you and I say, here's some things you have to fix for it to appear in DPLA and here's some things you might want to fix maybe I found a few misspellings or maybe your, the way that you described place was different for one provider, or one metadata person than the next person that was hired, and so you want to look at those edits and fix the things that have to be fixed, otherwise they won't go into DPLA, and then you can look at those other things and decide what is important to you to fix, then it goes back and sits in our repack snap system, which is important to remember, We are only sending DPLA a copy of your metadata so the metadata in the first box is not the same as the metadata and the next box. The next blue, light blue box because we've transformed it and then it waits for DPLA. So if you make a change or you delete a bunch of records or you add 50 new records. I won't know unless you tell me, but I'll send you lots of reminders so we can harvest that meta data, then quarterly DPLA harvests our metadata, and then publishes them on their website@tpl.la How exciting. So what are these required elements I keep talking about what does your metadata have to have. There are four fields that are usually automatically generated or derived eliminates that data provider that means, I know that when we harvest your collection, I know who it's from. I know your name Peter can easily put it in there. We know what collection we're harvesting. We're only harvesting one collection at a time and we know specifically where it at, where it's at. the is shown AP is the link that always goes back to your records, that's a permanent link that is found in your metadata. One thing about DPLA is it only displays your metadata information and a thumbnail so usually users go back to your website to see more information, and then that preview is that thumbnail image to have the fields, you have to add yourself. The first one is a title is the title, I hope that when you are digitizing items you're putting titles in and they're descriptive. Most metadata application profiles require a title but that's usually something, you're 50% of the way there and you already have. The next one is a standardized race statement. I know many of you probably have worked with rights before copyright issues. And it's very difficult to determine what should go in that copyright status, sometimes you might have a lawyer on staff who has a very long lawyer his explanation what the standardized rights statement does is it makes it easier for that fourth to fifth grader, to understand whether or not they can use your materials. There are 12 standardized rate statements at rate statements.org for you to choose from the put in a specific URL for that rate statement, and then it'll transform on VPLS website and say things like in copyright, not in copyright. Copyright and determined. This is also really important for sharing with the Wikimedia project because they can only take Non copyrighted materials. Unknown Speaker 42:54 So, this is an example of what something looks like on DPLA, I just highlighted those six required elements. You can see there's the thumbnail image, you can see how they changed that they put in a little graphic that says in copyright so that users know they can't repeat or reuse this material, except in certain circumstances, what the standardized right statement looks like one extra thing I added is that instead of the New York Public Library, it'll say for our materials, the Ohio digital network. That's what your material will look like when it appears in DPLA. Not recommended and optional elements are also part of our map recommended elements, enhance our users experience what that means is when someone is looking for metadata, the more information you can include the better. Um, these fields are a little bit more controlled than optional elements but not asking for, usually as required elements, and they make your material more findable, some of them are faceted, so some of them users can search by and things like that, optional elements are things that might, you might want to use to provide even more detail, or maybe there's something specifically in your metadata schema that's really important for you to include. And that's when you would use some of our optional elements, and those are all described in our map. So, what does it look like when you want to send your triple if manifest harvesting if you've already worked with us and you've already sent your materials. The first thing is you need to know your rights, all the Wikipedia items need to be copyright free so they need to have that not in copyright rate statement, then you let the ODM staff know which ones you want to harvest, we have to do the manifest for all collections are no, like, it's either all of them in one or none, even if they're not all in copyright, when they're not in copyright, they will get deleted on the DVLA side but we have to, it's just easier for us to do it all, but then the audience staff will add the manifest currently this is still in a little bit of a testing phase, our awesome technology specialist Peter is working on this and working on automating it, but we're hoping to have it live in the next few months. And now I will turn it over to John. Here's my email if you have any questions, we can tell you how he's used this with some pilot programs to make his material marketable. Unknown Speaker 45:20 Hey everybody. So, my name is John Dewey's. I am this supervisor digitization service at the Toledo Lucas County Public Library, and I'm here to kind of give you a sort of a worked example of what this process looks like in practice, and sort of how a record moves through all of these different repositories that we've discussed here. So to kick things off. This image has sort of become kind of the unofficial poster child for this project in a fairly literal sense, this is drawn from our JJ Kuhn collection, and was created by Miss JJ Kuhn, in the 1890s. And as a pretty aptly described formulated title of dog pulling a boy and small rickshaw. So this was drawn from our collections digitized by a staff member in our departments and will kind of see this as it as it migrates through the various aspects of this process, going from a shelf in our departments into a Wikipedia article in the various steps in between. So to kick things off. First, it needs to Li appear in a repository, so we use Ohio memory, which is the state shareable content TM instance, that is sponsored by the Ohio History Connection and the State Library of Ohio. So we have four collections that are available in Ohio memory and this is kind of resides in our catchall collection, which is just called Little Lucas County Public Library, digital collections, and on the left here we can see the image as it was scanned and made available, and on the right we see the if we were to scroll down the metadata that's available, so we can see the that title of dog going boy and a small rickshaw. The Creator field that we generated this description that is a lot of kind of like a biographical note about Miss Kuhn, as well as subject headings, and you know source information and copyright information and, importantly, since this was created in the 1890s it has fallen into the public domain, even as an unpublished work and some just sort of general information about this and many of these fields, We'll see gets carried through this migration process, as this record moves into different repository environments. So, the first stop in its grant journey into Wikipedia is of course, do you feel like. So here we see the that record as it is available in DPLA and I do believe if you search dog and rickshaw and DPLA, this is the one and only record that comes up, or at least I certainly hope so. Um, so we have you know a thumbnail image that is generated for DPLA we have that title that is migrated and the copyright statement, as well as a description, and importantly just kind of kind of point out to the URL that gets generated by DPLA for this record. So at the bottom here we have dp.la slash item and then slash this very long series of letters and numbers. That's the unique identifier that DPLA creates specifically for this record. As each record that's getting ingested into the search portal has that available. So that'll come up here in another minute. Um, so that first step of getting the record into Ohio memory is, you know, is work that we at my institution is doing to scan those materials to write that metadata, but these two sort of like intermediate steps of getting the record into DPLA and the next step that we'll discuss getting it into Wikimedia Commons is really sort of invisible work from the repository from my perspective as the contributing organization on so long as we've done our work to make sure that our metadata is is well formed and it meets the needs that Penelope and ODN requires all the rest of the parts kind of happened invisibly to the, to the contributor so just kind of something to keep in mind. So, again, that invisible process is now we see it appear into in Wikimedia Commons. As we can see up here. So, how this material is identified here is my file name instead of my title in Wikimedia Commons, once it's been ingested, we can see that I, it gets a file name that sort of programmatically generated. So we have that file prefix, and then the title that we wrote of dog pulling a boy in a small rickshaw dash the contributing organization that was responsible for getting the material into Wikimedia Commons, which in this case is DPLA. And then again, that very lengthy unique identifier that DPLA generated. This can be really useful, because you might be able to easily identify and track down your records in DPLA and then be able to again, pull out that identifier, which makes it very simple to then find it in Wikimedia Commons, because that identifier is embedded right into the file name. So if you search for this long string of characters in the search box up here in the top right, it's going to be the only thing that pops back up, which can make it very easy to kind of pull your records back out once they've been ingested. Um, so again we have the scanned image of this small child in his vehicle. And you know, information on how you can use this material, and then again if we had scroll down this page, we would get to the wiki or get to the metadata about this. Again, most of these fields will look pretty familiar at this point, the creator, the title and the description that we all initially wrote all get migrated into Wikimedia Commons as well. We can see that this is in a collection that was created purpose built for my institution that's illegal because County Public Library. And then the next one is, is a really important field that I always like to try and stress. When I first started talking about this project with other organizations that might be interested in it. One of the things that get chief concerns that kept coming up was attribution and making sure that it was really obvious and we can media comments where these resources were coming from and who was responsible for getting them there. So, the source photographer field here in Wikimedia Commons does a really fantastic job of that provides a sort of kind of narrative description that says this file was contributed by my organization to legal it's kind of public library, and it was facilitated by both the Digital Public Library of America, and they will have a digital network so like every everyone involved in their process. His names and and an attribution is given. And then furthermore below that it provides a link back to my original record that that we created locally and that I uploaded into content DM, as well as that DPLA identifier again and clicking on that will bring up the record and TPI. So you know just a very transparent process everyone gets gets credit. And this is another avenue possibly for driving traffic back to your original repository, so that people can see the full metadata record because obviously rewrote a lot more metadata that is available than is available here in our original record that can provide more context and can help researchers who want to use this resource. And then finally we have the standardized write statement which again is a metadata field that's carried through, as well as this permission block that kind of describes how that resource can be used. And lets other users on Wikimedia Commons know what they can do with this. So again, very useful, very transparent and carrying through all that good metadata that we wrote. Unknown Speaker 52:37 So this next screen is going to look very similar to the one a couple slides back. One of the things that's really nice about Wikimedia Commons is it's just got a lot of utility in it. So, going back a couple slides. This was the original image that we scanned and we can see that the photograph is kind of mounted on this backing board. It's not necessarily the most attractive view of the of the photograph from kind of like an editorial perspective, if you were going to publish it in a book, you probably wouldn't use this view you probably crop in to make it a little bit more attractive. So Wikimedia Commons has these kind of tools and extensions that you can build right into your account when you're logged in, not currently right now. Um, and there's just a very simple tool called a crop tool that lets you do cropping of images and D skew or rotation of the image. So, the the utility is that a lot of times when we're editing images from a cultural heritage perspective that's a lot of times, all we're doing is we don't want to mess with the content of the image just want to mess with the presentation mess, being a very technical term I'm using there. So anyways, so this is a derivative that's derived from that original, so again we see that this file name is largely the same. Except now this version has this suffix of crops in parentheses that's added to it. It doesn't change the original, it generates a new one, a new image that is now cropped and both of those exists in Wikipedia comments at the same time. So searching for this unique identifier is going to bring up two images in this case. Wikimedia Commons has a really great job with its metadata, and if we again if we were to scroll down this image, you can actually see at the bottom of both this record and the original that they point to each other. So this record indicates that it has been derived from an original that original indicates that there is a derivative that has been generated from it. So just, uh, I've been really impressed with how it can be a commons just makes everything transparent and really kind of uses interlinks to, to provide a lot of transparency there. Okay so we finally got to the point where this has gone from Ohio memory and content Tm into DPLA into Wikimedia Commons into an edited version and Wikimedia Commons, and now we get to the point where we can actually put it into a Wikipedia article, which is our end goal. So, at this point, we kind of the editorial part of this process comes in and we say okay so what article would this be good for, um, let's see if there is an article on rickshaws, for instance. And not only is there a Wikipedia article on rickshaw as it is an extensive article, there's a lot of content here. So this is just the beginning portion of the table of contents for this article. And there's there's just, there's a lot here. So, you know, why not help enrich it a little bit more, and add a little smattering of cuteness to this article by inserting this image into it. So if you scroll down about a third or half of the way down the article you will come to our edited image of this small boy being pulled by dog in a small rickshaw, that shows up in between an image of a rickshaw in Beijing, and one in Nairobi and now one in Toledo, Ohio, which that just feels appropriate. Um, so this is kind of the end result, this is what we're trying to work towards here. A lot of what you'll be working with ODN on is getting those materials into Wikimedia Commons, but this is the end result and the next part is we're going to talk about why this is worthwhile work, why this is something that you want to begin an endeavor to begin with. So, um, oh and also just the actual process of getting images into Wikipedia articles, is really a pretty simple one, so we can see, this is what the article looks like if you were just to navigate to it on the web, but if you go ahead and log in and go to the Edit tab. Instead, you get this view. Um, so it's pretty straightforward. Unknown Speaker 56:37 It's generally just a matter of kind of putting your cursor where you want the image to appear in the article, and then going up to Insert, and images and media after that a search box will pop up where again you can search for that DPLA identifier that I keep mentioning. And, you know, maybe throw in a caption and some alt text, and hit Insert and it pops up into the article, then you just hit publish changes and that's all there is to it. The actual kind of like editorial process for all this is really a pretty trivial one once you kind of figure out what your workflow is and what works best for you. The hardest part honestly is kind of finding images in your local collections and determining what Wikipedia articles are good candidates for inclusion or what could benefit from them. The actual process of inserting those images in only takes a couple of minutes. So this is kind of the What You See Is What You Get or wiziwig style editor that you're kind of familiar with from, you know, using Microsoft Word or any number of different kind of like web tools. You can also change that and edited to a source view, that's more kind of the the code behind this if you want to have a little bit more of an advanced use case. That's an option, but you don't have to it's it's really just as simple as inserting the image by clicking on it and certain images and media. So the process is very simple. Um, we as we get into the statistics portion of this which is kind of you know again the whole reason why we're doing this is to see some utility out of it. Um, I, to date have edited 258 articles or 202 150 Wikipedia articles, And usually that only took me about an hour's worth of work a week. It's good reference desk work, that sort of thing too if you because it's easy to kind of put down and step away from where I'd usually had a goal of maybe five to 10 articles a week that I would do within an hour's worth of work. So it's, it's, you know, pretty easy to do. And with that short amount of time, you can see a little utility out of it. So, again, that chart on the left shows that we've contributed 200 images to 258 articles. We, it started plateauing. In April, I believe, just because I ran out of images that I thought would be good candidates, and was also contributing more copyright free resources to our local repository and I've been sort of waiting for that synchronization process so that our, our collection Wikimedia Commons could be as reflective of all of the rights free resources that we have available. So that is anticipated to start up again. But on the right is the kind of the important part from a reporting and statistics perspective is that our 258 articles get about 2 million 2 million page views per month. So, it's just the amount of kind of bang for your buck, you get out of this work is just absolutely tremendous. We're very happy with kind of our usage statistics that come out of Ohio memory and the reports that we get there. Um, but this is like orders of magnitude larger than what we would otherwise be able to get just relying on kind of local repositories. So, it's, it, this work is great from kind of several different perspectives, Um, just sort of the practical perspective of, you know, inserting this sort of information into annual reports to your administration to your directors to your boards, kind of really shows the, the, the length and that your resources can go it's going to look really great for that sort of work. Once in it's a whole nother outlet that DPLA provides as well so you can see that extra utility you're getting not just in the DPLA search interface, but then also in Wikipedia articles, um, it's once those materials are in Wikimedia Commons. You don't need to be like on site, I don't need to be on site at the library and in order to do that work. I just as long as you're somewhere with an internet connection and a computer you can do this work, so it makes it great for volunteers and makes it great for interns if you want to do a virtual internships and get people from all over the state, or all over the country that are working on it. This is the sort of work that anybody can do. We've just been enriching articles with images but there's nothing saying you can't create whole new ones as well, and do some some writing on topics that are particular to your, your local geographic area your local institution. So you can kind of even go a little bit further there. And it's kind of it's interesting and creative enough of a process to be engaging as well, doing that sort of editorial process and figuring out which articles could benefit from your images, it's just kind of fun honestly so that makes the work enjoyable. Unknown Speaker 1:01:36 So, so that I mean, just the the amount of utility you get out of this is really just kind of tremendous, from my perspective. So then I also wanted to provide some examples of the sorts of articles that we've been adding images to. So, this is obviously a very long list I just started at the top and if two slides worth of examples. Um, so this is A through F, and we can see that some of these are very kind of local to Toledo that are really about the Toledo area, so you know, downtown Toledo or the Deville this auto refinishing company, the Edward de Libby House Champion sparkplug. These are all things that are kind of related to Toledo in particular, but then there's also articles that we've added materials to that are very kind of general in nature like canals or bronze or floods or dance halls, or cue sports which is what billiards and cool is described as in Wikipedia, um, that where we see a tremendous amount of the utility and the pageviews, because that was the other point that I wanted to make in the previous slide that flew right out of my head, is that this is a great project because not only are you providing a new elder free materials you're not asking them to come to your local repository your website wherever you are making your digitized content available, you're just meeting people where they already exist out there on their internet and are providing, you know, better resources for them to be seeing, You know, we're improving those Wikipedia articles by as we add our high quality primary and secondary sources to them. So there's, they don't need to know anything about you for you to be able to sort of improve their experience meeting them where they're already planning on going on the web. So, for instance, if people want to know about the history of cement, there is now something about Toledo in there that's gonna help teach that experience. Um, and then it can also be another outlet for showing kind of areas of your collection where your particular institution really shines. We're very proud of our architecture collections here in Toledo, have done a lot of work with them, preserving kind of the built environment in North West Ohio. So then you'll see things like art deco and Arts and Crafts movement, or even brick work that are included here that all are all kind of using those architectural collections and providing another avenue for which people can interact and find information about them. So, again we got to L here. So, some more examples of you know like fortify and sport mag for mags for Miami or a James B Stedman, Or John Willis, you know, all examples very Toledo related or ice boats and hydro planes and Hemis cycles and horse racing, that are all just very, very general, very generic. In general, as well as things like residential garages, and we Italian at architecture, sorry, trying to find other architecture related ones, to kind of promote that. And again, there's just, we have, I think around 125,000 resources that we've made available on through Ohio memory. This is just 258 articles that we've enriched on some of them have more than one image I think it's probably closer to 350 or 400 images that we've made available through the 258 articles, but that that 2 million pageviews that we can reliably kind of accrue per month is just on that very small sample so like if you really kind of want to base an entire internship around this and you've got somebody who's just doing this work, you. It's very feasible that you might be saying, 10 million or more pageviews, a month for those resources that you've done all that hard work of scanning and making available online and writing that high quality metadata. So this provides another outlet for that work. So that is my portion of the presentation, and if there's any questions or comments, I think we're more than happy to answer them. Unknown Speaker 1:05:50 Thanks. Thank you, John and Penelope. Well yeah so now it's time for all your questions, getting too close to the camera, give you guys a few minutes but I do have some questions for you. Quick, real quick, for John, what image is added to the Wikimedia Commons is it that DPLA thumbnail is it the original image from your content DM. Which one is it, or I guess probably because Unknown Speaker 1:06:19 that's the original image that you add to content DM or whatever your repository is not the thumbnail. Unknown Speaker 1:06:27 Okay, so what happens with these that's slightly different than the other ones, why we need the trouble if manifest that I was talking about, is that it those manifests are actually like all the information about that specific image, so they can be reused and there are other uses for triple if like I don't know if you've ever seen the side by side types of things already combined materials but it is slightly different than the other work that we do with DPLA. Fantastic. Unknown Speaker 1:07:00 Um, ask another question, John, you mentioned that it's easy to edit the Wikipedia articles themselves but have you run into any issues with maybe editing or maybe items, getting removed or anything like that, with the community with the wiki with Wikimedia community. Unknown Speaker 1:07:21 Um, yeah, there, there has so from a technical perspective on those like really complex articles and why doing that source view editing can be useful is because it gives you a better idea of where the image is actually going to show up in the article. So like that Rick shot one, I think I intended it to be in the section, related to rickshaws in North America. Um, but because there were so many images on the right hand side it got like pushed in some direction that I didn't expect so just kind of getting a feel for how images are going to float and be arranged in a Wikipedia article takes a little kind of getting used to. Yeah, there is definitely a very strong opinions in the community and Wikipedia, I had one case, and it happened within like 10 minutes, I was sort of amazed. I added an image of an armory that used to be in Attilio spellbooks armory, to the article about armouries just generally, and somebody like immediately was like there's just there's too many images on this page I don't. What is this person doing, and like deleted it, like straight away and I was like, Okay, I thought it could benefit from another image, or whatever. So you know like, you'll run into that every once a while but it's it's been like I have those hundreds of images, or hundreds of articles I've added stuff to like I'd have maybe two or three where I've got to run afoul of rules that I didn't know I was breaking. So yeah, it's generally a pretty permissive community, and according to working Unknown Speaker 1:08:52 for you, Penelope, um, I guess we mentioned that this is like a test pilot, pilot project is there, I know you mentioned that we're working on in the next few months but there's, like, more concrete timeline for when this might be hormonal ailable it will be rolled out to specific members first or is it going to be like a free for all. Unknown Speaker 1:09:09 So, the way that this is working is the DPLA side is set up, they know what they're doing, they haven't already to go on our side. Our technology person is working out, like I said on some automated systems to capture those trouble if manifest because they do need those manifests, have the original image so that Wikipedia can go in and get copy and all that technical stuff, and so he is trying to figure out the best way to start including those. He's been in the testing phase we are hoping that we will be able to add all of Toledo Lucas and another provider and our December harvest, and then open it up to anyone after that and it would just be when it's official since you know if you already have information or already have metadata and again we would let you all know that we have it working and then you'd let us know which collections you want us to include. and I feel like once we start getting it rolling, it'll go faster too, so Unknown Speaker 1:10:07 I mentioned, you mentioned that the images had to be in the public domain. Now if you have mixed collections with mix write statements in it. Will they need to not have those harvests or will you be able to just cherry pick the ones that are in the public Unknown Speaker 1:10:21 domain, basically, they'll be able to cherry pick because on DPLA aside, they'll just not share the ones that are not public domain. And then the ones that are I don't know if I'm peterside whether he'll just take all the heart of the trouble if anyway, but it will, we will be able to handle mixed rights collections but that's why it's important to have those rights statements because it is completely based, which Ohio we have 100% compliance, that's not an issue but those rights statements are how DPLA knows it's either in copyright or not in copyright, and only ones that are not in copyright consented DPLA like all the secondary like because there are 12, you know, all those don't go in. Sorry, that's kind of a long answer. Unknown Speaker 1:11:06 Perfect. I another one for you John. Let's see in the chat, yet. Do any mentioned the end like over 2 million pageviews, from all the articles that you have a breakdown on which ones are giving you more access but give me more pages at the local is it those very general ones, or trying to see if there isn't method like maybe you go with the more local ones over the more general ones, or vice versa. Unknown Speaker 1:11:34 Yeah, absolutely. So I'm sharing my screen again to show you this reporting tool. Um, so this is this is where I get that information out of thing called bag llama too. So this is where we kind of see the graph that I'm pulling all that information on from So in August we had 1.98 7 million views. And interestingly, I think this is even longer that used to be. Since Wikipedia articles are frequently translated into different languages, like, I didn't put an article or enrich an article on the Bengali Wikipedia, but somebody else translated something from the English language Wikipedia into these many, many different languages. And then it gives you a breakdown on where I'm going. So this is saying that I've added things to 256 page views or pages so apparently two of my edits have been reverted and people have taken things out. But then it's cool, it gives you this details page so you can see in pretty consistently that our top two are the Great Lakes and William McKinley. Our county courthouse has a statue to William McKinley. So I very tactically was like, Oh, I'm going to try and get that from that Wikipedia article because it'll get a ton of page views. When you can see, far and away the ones that are the most positive or most popular Great Lakes all the way down to iron ore, are those sort of more generic articles on there this is I think the top 100 And you do, maybe see some of the more specific ones. But yeah, it's mostly those kind of more generic ones and for instance, we can see that rickshaw. In August got 11 over 11,000 pageviews, so that, you know, hopefully, 11,000 people saw that picture and said, Oh, I'm so there's this, a lot of information that gets kind of baked into this, and then you can sort of see what what's working, what's not and kind of adjust your strategy. If what you're trying to really do is maximize pageviews. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Unknown Speaker 1:13:38 I just have one final question for you again John, if you've noticed any reference or research requests generated by this someone may be returned to a library that hadn't before. Unknown Speaker 1:13:53 Oh, that's a great question. Um, we haven't. No, um, though, that would be fascinating because yeah that is sort of the dream of this is like we're adding these images to Wikipedia articles but there's, it's, you know, Wikimedia Commons is an open repository, anybody can use it for any purpose they want. So we would love to see people picking up our rights, free resources and using them and interesting and creative ways and using that as sort of a discovery mechanism, but um, we haven't had those stories kind of head back to us yet. And also just as a point since we've, you know, lamb, so much as alphabet soup, such as lamb, triple if, if you don't know and curious about what that that technical standard is, um, it's just a way to try and share originally images and metadata is freely and easily as possible. I'm pretty sure it came out of like the Rare Books and Manuscripts world read have these like menus like an individual manuscripts, or pieces of it ended up in like 10 Different institutions, so everybody could keep their pieces, and then like digitally recreate like the entire thing. Um, but it's super useful for, you know, the free sharing of like images and metadata is has these sorts of benefits as well being able to easily move them into new environments. See the international image interoperability framework, I believe, just if that has been, you know, a mysterious acronym that we've been thrown around this whole time. Unknown Speaker 1:15:19 I put the link to the triple if community website in the chat, and they have some really fantastic videos and they record their meetings per year. Unknown Speaker 1:15:34 All right, um, last chance to get your questions in. Give me another few seconds here, but if not, I'm just gonna say thank you again to John, no plan, Ohio local history alliance for hosting us and oh HC for doing all the cool zoom stuff. So yeah, I guess, thank you everyone for coming out and have a good day. Unknown Speaker 1:16:00 Thanks everybody. Transcribed by https://otter.ai